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	<title>Comments on: Teenager Kills Mother, Shoots Father Over Halo 3</title>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/teenager-kills-mother-shoots-father-over-halo-3/comment-page-2#comment-35965</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an example of those teens that got influenced by violence at a young age and shows &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atriskyouthprograms.com/youth-programs/information-on-at-risk-youth-behaviors.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at-risk youth behaviors&lt;/a&gt;. That could have not happened if they just would have raised him away from violence or any other sort of addiction or vices. I only hope that parents will learn a lot from this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an example of those teens that got influenced by violence at a young age and shows <a href="http://www.atriskyouthprograms.com/youth-programs/information-on-at-risk-youth-behaviors.html" rel="nofollow">at-risk youth behaviors</a>. That could have not happened if they just would have raised him away from violence or any other sort of addiction or vices. I only hope that parents will learn a lot from this.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone inform me how a video game spawns this behavior? For a child to murder his or her parents over a video game is more insanity on the childs part. This article makes it seem like this child was posessed by the video game and it made him do it. NO. Let&#039;s take a recent incident for example: there was a child who took a hunting rifle he was given for his birthday and mortally wounded his mom by shooting her in the head because he did not want to do chores. Are you telling me that it&#039;s the chores that caused the child to snap? Both are terrible examples of poor parenting combined with the child being mentally unstable. While video games can certainly increase bad habits like swearing, they do not cause them to turn into &quot;ruthless killers&quot;. Growing up plenty of little boys played with fake guns and pretended to shoot other people, now that type of play is completely unacceptable and banned in schools even though it never did any harm. I BLAME THE PARENTS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone inform me how a video game spawns this behavior? For a child to murder his or her parents over a video game is more insanity on the childs part. This article makes it seem like this child was posessed by the video game and it made him do it. NO. Let&#8217;s take a recent incident for example: there was a child who took a hunting rifle he was given for his birthday and mortally wounded his mom by shooting her in the head because he did not want to do chores. Are you telling me that it&#8217;s the chores that caused the child to snap? Both are terrible examples of poor parenting combined with the child being mentally unstable. While video games can certainly increase bad habits like swearing, they do not cause them to turn into &#8220;ruthless killers&#8221;. Growing up plenty of little boys played with fake guns and pretended to shoot other people, now that type of play is completely unacceptable and banned in schools even though it never did any harm. I BLAME THE PARENTS.</p>
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		<title>By: preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..He was under the influence of Halo3..&quot;Hahahah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..He was under the influence of Halo3..&#8221;Hahahah</p>
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		<title>By: cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/teenager-kills-mother-shoots-father-over-halo-3/comment-page-2#comment-26519</link>
		<dc:creator>cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 07:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW the kid needs to be put to death. He killed his mother, who was probably innocent. He killed her and shot his father. Thats not cool. I think microsoft should have been sued and ESRB for rating it as a game with sexual themes in it. The kid really needs to be put to death. R.I.P to his mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW the kid needs to be put to death. He killed his mother, who was probably innocent. He killed her and shot his father. Thats not cool. I think microsoft should have been sued and ESRB for rating it as a game with sexual themes in it. The kid really needs to be put to death. R.I.P to his mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/teenager-kills-mother-shoots-father-over-halo-3/comment-page-2#comment-25440</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* What is your initial reaction to the fact that a boy shot his parents over his obsession over a video game?

This kid must be insane. Who would ever attempt to kill their parents? And for video games? He must be a crazy video-game addict. He has to learn to stop.

    * Was the Father right to refuse to let his child play a game he found to be inappropriate considering his growing obsession?

Yes. He made up the reasons obviously, but it wasn&#039;t because of that; it was because the kid was addicted to it.

    * What are your thoughts on the defense pleading “insanity” because of Halo 3?

I don&#039;t blame it on the video game at all; I think it&#039;s just because he didn&#039;t have anything else to do. Maybe he had no friends. Maybe his parents forbid him to go outside; so he had to do something inside; such as video games. Anyone would pick video games over a book. However, he was addicted.

    * Thoughts about the family forgiving him?
Well, they can&#039;t stay depressed, and angry at their family member forever. Maybe they had to forget the past and move on. Something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* What is your initial reaction to the fact that a boy shot his parents over his obsession over a video game?</p>
<p>This kid must be insane. Who would ever attempt to kill their parents? And for video games? He must be a crazy video-game addict. He has to learn to stop.</p>
<p>    * Was the Father right to refuse to let his child play a game he found to be inappropriate considering his growing obsession?</p>
<p>Yes. He made up the reasons obviously, but it wasn&#8217;t because of that; it was because the kid was addicted to it.</p>
<p>    * What are your thoughts on the defense pleading “insanity” because of Halo 3?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame it on the video game at all; I think it&#8217;s just because he didn&#8217;t have anything else to do. Maybe he had no friends. Maybe his parents forbid him to go outside; so he had to do something inside; such as video games. Anyone would pick video games over a book. However, he was addicted.</p>
<p>    * Thoughts about the family forgiving him?<br />
Well, they can&#8217;t stay depressed, and angry at their family member forever. Maybe they had to forget the past and move on. Something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what do I think?

Personally I blame the kid and the Parents NOT the game.
I have been playing &quot;violent&quot; video games since I was seven and it hasn&#039;t affected me at all.

Sexual??? I have played the whole series and haven&#039;t seen one sexual scene seen in it. One other thing that everybody has missed is that ESRB rated the game a 16+ and this kid is 16 so what is the problem?

The dad then calls the game violent. yes the game is violent so what?
Oh that&#039;s because there are guns and a TINY bit of blood! Yeah so what this kid has probably seen violent movies and read violent books! go play/see dead space or left 4 dead or my personal favourite Gears of War. 

Also, the guy has a gun in his house. So It&#039;s alright to have a gun in your house butnot alright to play a GAME with guns! Jeez what a hypocrite! Then &quot;sexual&quot;, god people have sex all the time and guess what? The parents had to have had sex to have had the kid. More Hypocriticness! And being his age he shall have been around friends and other people who have all had sex either with their girlfriends or random people. And let me tell you, people LOVE to talk to other people and tell them about the first ime they had sex!

All that said don&#039;t blame the game, blame the gamer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what do I think?</p>
<p>Personally I blame the kid and the Parents NOT the game.<br />
I have been playing &#8220;violent&#8221; video games since I was seven and it hasn&#8217;t affected me at all.</p>
<p>Sexual??? I have played the whole series and haven&#8217;t seen one sexual scene seen in it. One other thing that everybody has missed is that ESRB rated the game a 16+ and this kid is 16 so what is the problem?</p>
<p>The dad then calls the game violent. yes the game is violent so what?<br />
Oh that&#8217;s because there are guns and a TINY bit of blood! Yeah so what this kid has probably seen violent movies and read violent books! go play/see dead space or left 4 dead or my personal favourite Gears of War. </p>
<p>Also, the guy has a gun in his house. So It&#8217;s alright to have a gun in your house butnot alright to play a GAME with guns! Jeez what a hypocrite! Then &#8220;sexual&#8221;, god people have sex all the time and guess what? The parents had to have had sex to have had the kid. More Hypocriticness! And being his age he shall have been around friends and other people who have all had sex either with their girlfriends or random people. And let me tell you, people LOVE to talk to other people and tell them about the first ime they had sex!</p>
<p>All that said don&#8217;t blame the game, blame the gamer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/teenager-kills-mother-shoots-father-over-halo-3/comment-page-2#comment-23744</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not the game is violent or sexually explicit doesn&#039;t matter.  The idiot kid was playing it for at least 7-8 hours a day.  Obviously something mentally wrong with him.  His father had every right to put his foot down and take the game away.  What the kid needed to do was go out a get a job after school.  Unbelievable how people stick up for the idiot son!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not the game is violent or sexually explicit doesn&#8217;t matter.  The idiot kid was playing it for at least 7-8 hours a day.  Obviously something mentally wrong with him.  His father had every right to put his foot down and take the game away.  What the kid needed to do was go out a get a job after school.  Unbelievable how people stick up for the idiot son!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/teenager-kills-mother-shoots-father-over-halo-3/comment-page-2#comment-22832</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In most cases the video game is not responsible for outburst of this nature, as many people have said it could be caused by anything &quot;alchohol, drugs etc&quot;

But throughout my life I have seen people that &quot;react&quot; badly when playing video games, now I am not talking about someone &quot;lashing out, or yelling&quot;  I am talking about people who &quot;shake furiously, or blank out for periods of time&quot;  and these people shouldn&#039;t be playing video games, or drinking.  

Now, in this particular case I believe video games did kill his parents, because as it was stated in the story this kid played for 18 hour days, holy shit. I love gaming myself, infact I play competitive gaming, but I have never topped over 12 hours of gaming in a day. And I can only remember a few times where I spent that much time.

It just shows that kid on the last weekend got so hooked into Halo he just wanted to play it ALL the time, and when he got home he wanted to get the game straight then. 

Personally I &quot;THINK&quot; he went to the lockbox for the GUN, not the game as he testified.   I believe he was furious that now he couldn&#039;t play it when he is at home after playing it on the weekend for 18 hour days. So he thought he would be better off eliminating his parents because they don&#039;t love him anyway, they won&#039;t let him play Halo.

Anyhow to sum this up, are video games responsible for killing people? 99% of the time, no.  In this case, yes. He was too addicted to the game, I have seen heavy addiction. 

&quot;If a crack addict can kill for crack, a gaming addict can kill for a game&quot;

And yes, addiction isn&#039;t limited to just one thing.


-Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In most cases the video game is not responsible for outburst of this nature, as many people have said it could be caused by anything &#8220;alchohol, drugs etc&#8221;</p>
<p>But throughout my life I have seen people that &#8220;react&#8221; badly when playing video games, now I am not talking about someone &#8220;lashing out, or yelling&#8221;  I am talking about people who &#8220;shake furiously, or blank out for periods of time&#8221;  and these people shouldn&#8217;t be playing video games, or drinking.  </p>
<p>Now, in this particular case I believe video games did kill his parents, because as it was stated in the story this kid played for 18 hour days, holy shit. I love gaming myself, infact I play competitive gaming, but I have never topped over 12 hours of gaming in a day. And I can only remember a few times where I spent that much time.</p>
<p>It just shows that kid on the last weekend got so hooked into Halo he just wanted to play it ALL the time, and when he got home he wanted to get the game straight then. </p>
<p>Personally I &#8220;THINK&#8221; he went to the lockbox for the GUN, not the game as he testified.   I believe he was furious that now he couldn&#8217;t play it when he is at home after playing it on the weekend for 18 hour days. So he thought he would be better off eliminating his parents because they don&#8217;t love him anyway, they won&#8217;t let him play Halo.</p>
<p>Anyhow to sum this up, are video games responsible for killing people? 99% of the time, no.  In this case, yes. He was too addicted to the game, I have seen heavy addiction. </p>
<p>&#8220;If a crack addict can kill for crack, a gaming addict can kill for a game&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes, addiction isn&#8217;t limited to just one thing.</p>
<p>-Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: Rilan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, Halo is not like that at all. It is fantasy violence (similar to the type you see in games like The Legend of Zelda) and is not sexually explicit. The same thing happened to the game Mass Effect. Fox News labeled it pornographic, to the point that the player could choose where, when, how, and with who (and control...ah...movements) and this was simply not true. There is a 10 second scene in which a partial view of a behind and a tiny bit of side-breast. The &quot;psychologist&quot; and news anchor said they had only read the box, they didn&#039;t need to play the game. I digress.

If someone cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality, cannot separate fantasy violence in a video game from real life violence -- there is something bigger at work than the effects of a video game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Halo is not like that at all. It is fantasy violence (similar to the type you see in games like The Legend of Zelda) and is not sexually explicit. The same thing happened to the game Mass Effect. Fox News labeled it pornographic, to the point that the player could choose where, when, how, and with who (and control&#8230;ah&#8230;movements) and this was simply not true. There is a 10 second scene in which a partial view of a behind and a tiny bit of side-breast. The &#8220;psychologist&#8221; and news anchor said they had only read the box, they didn&#8217;t need to play the game. I digress.</p>
<p>If someone cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality, cannot separate fantasy violence in a video game from real life violence &#8212; there is something bigger at work than the effects of a video game.</p>
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		<title>By: cleancutmedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>cleancutmedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey everyone, great contributions!

I don&#039;t think anyone is here is trying to blame just the game itself. There is a lot that goes into a tragedy like this, but I think to neglect violence we find in media (movies, games, tv) is not wise either. 

If we lived our lives without seeing violence glorified, or learning how to &quot;shoot a gun&quot; through tvs, see how some cool main character in a film beat up and shoot up everyone, have our eyes light up seeing explosions galore... we wouldn&#039;t even know where to begin in terms of violence.

Back in WW1, only 1 in 5 soldiers even fired a gun. Why? The thought of shooting a human being was so foreign to them. Shoot a person? How can I do that? That&#039;s someone&#039;s father or someone&#039;s son! So what did the US do? We trained them by having them shoot human shaped targets, and then created simulators (basically like video games) so soldiers can get used to shooting at people. Next world war, that stat skyrocketed. Everyone shot at a far higher rate, because they were conditioned to see humans as targets. 

Again, by all means, I don&#039;t think anyone should blame a game for something so tragic. There are tons of other factors here as many have listed. No one is doing that here. But let&#039;s not pretend that media has nothing to do with violence in our culture just because we like playing violent games.

Part of the reason these kid of post are put up on cleancutmedia is with the hope that stories like this change us for the better. Help us become more aware and alert with how media can affect us and be sad and broken about the world around us. By just casting this aside saying it&#039;s just some &quot;dumb kid&quot; just because we love playing these games makes us distance ourselves from the story (i.e. &quot;i play this game, so it can&#039;t be the game&quot;). 

Also I feel like saying &quot;i wouldn&#039;t do this&quot; is not a great argument... yes you might not do it, maybe you have better parents or more lenient parents. maybe you are more self-controlled then others.. but the fact of the matter is, it happened, stuff like this does happen.. I feel really sad many here are just cursing and ripping on this kid. It&#039;s horrible what he did, but I personally feel very sad for this guy..


I really appreciate the many well-thought out answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey everyone, great contributions!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is here is trying to blame just the game itself. There is a lot that goes into a tragedy like this, but I think to neglect violence we find in media (movies, games, tv) is not wise either. </p>
<p>If we lived our lives without seeing violence glorified, or learning how to &#8220;shoot a gun&#8221; through tvs, see how some cool main character in a film beat up and shoot up everyone, have our eyes light up seeing explosions galore&#8230; we wouldn&#8217;t even know where to begin in terms of violence.</p>
<p>Back in WW1, only 1 in 5 soldiers even fired a gun. Why? The thought of shooting a human being was so foreign to them. Shoot a person? How can I do that? That&#8217;s someone&#8217;s father or someone&#8217;s son! So what did the US do? We trained them by having them shoot human shaped targets, and then created simulators (basically like video games) so soldiers can get used to shooting at people. Next world war, that stat skyrocketed. Everyone shot at a far higher rate, because they were conditioned to see humans as targets. </p>
<p>Again, by all means, I don&#8217;t think anyone should blame a game for something so tragic. There are tons of other factors here as many have listed. No one is doing that here. But let&#8217;s not pretend that media has nothing to do with violence in our culture just because we like playing violent games.</p>
<p>Part of the reason these kid of post are put up on cleancutmedia is with the hope that stories like this change us for the better. Help us become more aware and alert with how media can affect us and be sad and broken about the world around us. By just casting this aside saying it&#8217;s just some &#8220;dumb kid&#8221; just because we love playing these games makes us distance ourselves from the story (i.e. &#8220;i play this game, so it can&#8217;t be the game&#8221;). </p>
<p>Also I feel like saying &#8220;i wouldn&#8217;t do this&#8221; is not a great argument&#8230; yes you might not do it, maybe you have better parents or more lenient parents. maybe you are more self-controlled then others.. but the fact of the matter is, it happened, stuff like this does happen.. I feel really sad many here are just cursing and ripping on this kid. It&#8217;s horrible what he did, but I personally feel very sad for this guy..</p>
<p>I really appreciate the many well-thought out answers.</p>
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		<title>By: drmurda</title>
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		<dc:creator>drmurda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;because it is very violent in nature and sexually explicit.&quot;

Sexually explicit?  Rofl.  If it was id be playing it right now, The only &quot;sexual&quot; thing about it is that there is a girl oor two in it. Fail. 

Also, yes the 16 year old shouldn&#039;t of shot the parents, but if he has a job and is of the legal age of buying it, the parents have No rite to Steal the game from him. 

As I said before... just so fail...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because it is very violent in nature and sexually explicit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sexually explicit?  Rofl.  If it was id be playing it right now, The only &#8220;sexual&#8221; thing about it is that there is a girl oor two in it. Fail. </p>
<p>Also, yes the 16 year old shouldn&#8217;t of shot the parents, but if he has a job and is of the legal age of buying it, the parents have No rite to Steal the game from him. </p>
<p>As I said before&#8230; just so fail&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bez</title>
		<link>http://www.cleancutmedia.com/news/teenager-kills-mother-shoots-father-over-halo-3/comment-page-2#comment-18237</link>
		<dc:creator>Bez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt it is a very sad story, wonder what the specific nature of the illness or disorder the young person was suffering from is, clearly given events there has to be some sort of problem. The obssesive nature and non reciprocal empathy and self centred perspective (in both the father and the son) (my way or the highway) seem similar to what i see regularly in the contact that I have with people who have an ASD (Autistic spectrum disorder). Just cant help but wonder what the outcome may have been if more targeted interventions were made available to this young man and his family regardless of the exact nature of the problem? Blaming the game seems a sensationalist, reactionary knee jerk reaction to what I suspect is a very complex story that goes way beyond the young man being obsessed with any thing. At what point do we control what people think, at what point do we regulate what people are permitted to enjoy, you can find precedents through out history from Hitlers book burning to the middle ages. Always seems to me that censorship takes us backwards not forward. How much money has the crime, the trial, the incarceration and it&#039;s ramifications cost the community?  wouldn&#039;t we be better served reallocating resources to stop many of these issues in all of our communities than punishing the fallout? Ah but that would take courage and commitment from society, suppose its much easier to point the finger at something we can distance ourselves from?</description>
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